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Hi Raven, you can please put my marker in the "Stadtpark" in Hamburg. Thanx | |
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I hadn’t heard o’ that project afore now—shiver me timbers, a great idea! Please place a marker fer me: I reckon th’ RASC’s observin’ deck at the Telus World of Science (formerly the Odysseum, formerly the Edmonton Space & Science Centre) in Coronation Park, 53°33'36"N, 113°33'46"W, viewed from a range (altitude) of about 1000–1500 m, would be a good spot. Th’ high school I went t’ be jus’ a musket-shot away. | |
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Odysseus wrote: Please place a marker fer me: I reckon th’ RASC’s observin’ deck at the Telus World of Science (formerly the Odysseum, formerly the Edmonton Space & Science Centre) in Coronation Park, 53°33'36"N, 113°33'46"W, viewed from a range (altitude) of about 1000–1500 m, would be a good spot. Eesh, you have a "Telus World of Science" in Edmonton too? There's also one branded as such here in Vancouver (formerly Science World, which is what the exhibit is still called, and before that Expo Centre, from Expo 86.) Anyway, noted for inclusion! ____________ ![]() | |
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Kalessin wrote: Hi Raven, you can please put my marker in the "Stadtpark" in Hamburg. Done. ____________ ![]() | |
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My smilin' face on the CN Tower in Toronto Canada, would be a sight for these here sea weary eyes! Thank Ye Matey! | |
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Pawly wrote: My smilin' face on the CN Tower in Toronto Canada Done. (Been there... one third of a kilometre never looked so far away as when seen from straight up...) ____________ ![]() | |
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GGGGAAAArrrrr!! Me bandana musta slipped down over me other socket. Cuz I canna see a ting dere. I've gone blind! | |
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Pawly wrote: Sorry I can see 4 other BOINC markers but not my own. I tried in maps and earth. The file currently seen in GE, and on the GE board, is the old one by bjango. I haven't posted the update yet. (Will let you know once I do!) Also, when it is posted, you'll have to download it to view it, as the ones on GE Community Board only get updated and downloaded automatically every so often. I have made a note of you, though, and when posted, you'll be there. ____________ ![]() | |
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Raven wrote:
YYYAAARRRGGGHHH!!! Thank ye, matey! I'll be there but will you be here? Oh Canada! Forum Stop by when you have a chance and say hi! All Crunchers Welcome! ____________ ![]() | |
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The new Google Earth BOINC User file is ready, and has been posted to the Google Earth Community Forum. It can be found here. | |
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Sounds really great. | |
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Raven wrote: The new Google Earth BOINC User file is ready, and has been posted to the Google Earth Community Forum. It can be found here. Mighty nice, ’n only 10% th’ size o’ th’ previous file! Me marker’s about 85 metres from the observin’ deck, but I guess ’tis close enough. ;) (I be a crew founder at S@h, but we ’ave fewer than five active hands.) I tried viewin’ th’ file on-line in Google Maps (fer which it may nah ’ave been intended) as well; many o’ th’ entries seem t’ be missin’ (mine included), ’n most o’ th’ markers that do show are upside-down-teardrop thingies instead o’ Bs thar. But it’s much better when I view it in Google Earth on me own system. ____________ ![]() Was that a Siren I heard? | |
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Odysseus: I'll try and get your marker closer to the mark, though, I have no idea which part of the complex I'm looking at for it. This file's size is probably due to the fact that the locations file included in the original had a few image overlays included, which would have made it much larger. | |
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Anyone familiar with Google Earth and wishing to customize their locations and labels can email me a .kmz file as an attachment for inclusion. Send it to bcboinc (-at-) fandom.ca | |
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I like this. I've been thinking about how we could automate the process to make it easier on Raven -- though this in no way means to discount his efforts. Thanks for bringing this back. Maybe we can find a way to scale it up? | |
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Wormholio wrote: I like this. I've been thinking about how we could automate the process to make it easier on Raven... My treasure location is already set to home port. Bet I'm not the only one, so you should have an opt in option. Maybe you can set it up to show a page (after update click?) with your extracted info so that we can edit or submit our own kmz file. ____________ ![]() Click and enter your name for your BOINC Statistics | |
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Contact wrote: My treasure location is already set to home port. Bet I'm not the only one, There were at least two of us :-) ...so you should have an opt in option. I thought about adding a checkbox, but if this is a completely separate item then you opt in by filling it in, and opt out by making it empty. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Contact wrote: Maybe you can set it up to show a page (after update click?) with your extracted info so that we can edit or submit our own kmz file. Google maps lets you build a link to a particular map position, so we could add a verification link for this, if I can figure out all the requirements to build the URL. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Wormholio wrote: I thought about adding a checkbox, but if this is a completely separate item then you opt in by filling it in, and opt out by making it empty. When I actually checked, the treasure location info was not there. Yep, seperate item is better than a checkbox. ____________ ![]() Click and enter your name for your BOINC Statistics | |
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Raven wrote: Odysseus: I'll try and get your marker closer to the mark, though, I have no idea which part of the complex I'm looking at for it. Th’ coordinates I provided upthread best be quite a bit closer; they be jus’ rounded t’ th’ nearest arc-second. But if ye’re placin’ th’ marker visually, th’ RASC observation deck be th’ small buildin’ shaped like a shallow chevron pointin’ south, about 100 m SE o’ th’ centre o’ th’ main buildin’s circular roof. If ye prefer, I can prolly figure out how t’ make me owns placemark file t’ send ye. ____________ ![]() Was that a Siren I heard? | |
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Wormholio wrote: We already have the "treasure location" item in the Pirates' preferences, which could be turned into "home port" lattitude and longitude. Th’ Ts in “latitude” come only one at a time. I wouldna normally comment on such a typo in a postin’, but th’ misspellin’ appears on th’ preference page as well. ____________ ![]() Was that a Siren I heard? | |
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Odysseus wrote: Th’ Ts in “latitude” come only one at a time. I wouldna normally comment on such a typo in a postin’, but th’ misspellin’ appears on th’ preference page as well. It always helps to have an extra set of eyes. Thank you. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Odysseus: My apologies. I found the building from your description, and your marker will be there next update. | |
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Raven wrote: Wormholio: Both the upload page and script idea sound fantastic, and would definitely be a help, insofar as getting .kmzs to a central place. Being confined below decks yesterday with nothing much to do but check the bilge pumps I set up a file upload page for placemarks. Any member of the crew who wants to create their own placemark can upload it at http://pirates.spy-hill.net/placemark_upload.php The uploaded files, which must have the right MIME type, are then put in http://pirates.spy-hill.net/download/placemarks/ . Then Raven can retrieve them for assembly into the larger single placemark file. I could protect this directory so that only Raven can read it, but since the information is to be public anyway I have not done so yet. Being able to set a placemark without the need for downloading and learning the program first would likely be a huge help to newcomers, too! Agreed, and so I also modified the Pirates' Preferences page to allow you to enter your home port coordinates. (The treasure location is gone, but may still be remembered for later.) Automatically generating a single large placemarks file from this information may have to wait until the next storm, but at least we can start collecting the data. Meanwhile, it's not that hard to create your own placemark file, except that it's not that clear the first time. Perhaps we can get a work gang together here to create a wiki page to document the process? ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Kalessin: Got your uploaded file and moved your marker. Sorry if I got the wrong park. | |
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Raven wrote: Kalessin: Got your uploaded file and moved your marker. Sorry if I got the wrong park. But you didn't get the wrong park. I just decided to change the degree of exactness a little bit. Now its were I actually go playing with my little wyrmling. And I thought you might not find out the coordinates of the "Eppendorfer Park" which is what i wouldn't have (with google earth), had i not known the way to it in reality. So still: GREAT PRAISE! And a friendly sneeze for a thanx and thumbs up! ![]() ____________ Dragons can fly because they don't fit into pirate ships ![]() | |
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Wormholio wrote: Meanwhile, it's not that hard to create your own placemark file, except that it's not that clear the first time. Perhaps we can get a work gang together here to create a wiki page to document the process? 1st draft. [[Google_Earth_placemark]] ____________ ![]() Click and enter your name for your BOINC Statistics | |
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Contact wrote:
Thank you. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Misfit: The original still had you slightly out to sea off the Star of India. That's where I currently have you. Just confirming that you wanted to be changed to the ship itself. | |
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For all users of german google earth (don't know if its the same with other versions) or google maps: | |
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Kalessin wrote: For all users of german google earth (don't know if its the same with other versions) or google maps: I asked google maps for directions from New York, NY to Hamburg, and indeed it's listed as about 29.5 days. Steps 22-23 are the most interesting (this is 44 on the reverse route?) They have you go down to Long Wharf in Boston (near the Aquarium), jump off the pier, and swim across the Atlantic ocean (3462 miles). ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Wormholio wrote: I asked google maps for directions from New York, NY to Hamburg, and indeed it's listed as about 29.5 days. Steps 22-23 are the most interesting (this is 44 on the reverse route?) They have you go down to Long Wharf in Boston (near the Aquarium), jump off the pier, and swim across the Atlantic ocean (3462 miles). Yeah, that what I meant. But really interesting is it to divide time and distance. This should be 55720 times 100m freestyle worldrecord. Really fast in spite of the waves. Maybe I start to new york tomorrow? ____________ Dragons can fly because they don't fit into pirate ships ![]() | |
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Roughly speaking, 29 days is about 700 hours. And roughly speaking, the distance works out to 3000 nautical miles. (As all pirates should know, a nautical mile is 6080 feet, whereas a statute mile is only 5280 feet.) So that means your month-long swim is assumed to be at a steady 4.3 knots (nautical miles/hour). Not a bad pace at all, if you could keep it up for a month. | |
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Raven wrote: Misfit: The original still had you slightly out to sea off the Star of India. That's where I currently have you. Just confirming that you wanted to be changed to the ship itself. Yep. Right smack dab on the ship. Raven wrote: EDIT: Also, do you still want your label information there, which included your BOINC Synergy stats signature for Pirates@Home? Yeah, why not. Edit: I just uploaded a new one to use. Replaced the thumbtack with the avatar and reoriented the frame. ____________ ![]() | |
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Misfit: Done. | |
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The file has been updated. Once again go here to download. | |
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Raven wrote: Many people have uploaded placemarks using their forum avatars as the icon. I change these to the "B" used in the BOINC logo, for consistency and to indicate certain things about certain users, but I can include avatars in the placemark's label. If you want this, or anything else in your label, either e-mail me as above and tell me which avatar (if you have several) you want, and I will copy it from that project to Photobucket (to reduce load on project servers, however small). Arrgh! It seems I've lost my gold "B", and now only have a lone "X" out in the woods. As if that's where my body is buried or something. As the Monty Python line goes, "I'm not dead yet" :-) I can see an argument for two different formats. If the placemark file is to be a "layer", overlayed with other layers, then a "B" is the best way to indicate a BOINC user. On the other hand, to do a "tour" of the users for a project, the avatar would be more personalized. I don't know which is better, or if we should perhaps have two? I also don't think that the images put a load on the server (but thanks for thinking of it). When I save a placemark to a file it puts the image in the placemark bundle (the .kmz file, which is just a .zip file containing the images and an XML description of the placemark, so you can easily look inside it). So adding avatars will make the .kmz file bigger, but not add server load. However, it may be that images inside the descriptive text do add server load, but I've not got that far yet. Kudos for your efforts. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Wormholio: The placemark icons are included in the .kmz file, but the label images have to be specified as an external link, hence why I would put them on photobucket (unless one had their own PB account). And I will restor your gold B immediately. My bad. | |
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Raven wrote: Misfit: Done. I'll have to go thru my other avatars and see which one looks good in that location. The Joey Mars might look cool since it has a white background it'll blend into the structure. ____________ ![]() | |
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OK I overwrote and uploaded my final one. | |
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Raven wrote: Wormholio:... I will restor your gold B immediately. My bad. Not a problem. Thank you for restoring my gold B. I think you too should get some gold, for all your efforts. So I've awarded you a Dubloon. (I've also given one to bjango, for his initial efforts on starting the placemarks file.) You have the thanks of the captain and the crew. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Wormholio wrote: I think you too should get some gold, for all your efforts. So I've awarded you a Dubloon. Arrr, thank ye, Cap'n. 'Tis a pleasure to keep the ship on course. ____________ ![]() | |
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Ohhh, this be verra kool! | |
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kenzieB: Done. Will be included in next update. | |
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@ Kokomiko: | |
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The file has been updated, a little early this week with all the changes. Once again go here to download. | |
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Ummm, dumb grrl thing, but I couldn't find my spot. Found everyone else's, both here and Tim and the lads over on the Seti side. | |
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kenzieB: I'm not sure. You're right there in Stanley Park on my machine. I will take a look over it and re-upload, and hopefully that will do it. | |
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Raven wrote: kenzieB: I'm not sure. You're right there in Stanley Park on my machine. I found her there, too! ____________ Dragons can fly because they don't fit into pirate ships ![]() | |
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kenzieB: I've tried a bit of a clean up and a re-upload. Download the file again and see. | |
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Kinguni: Added your placemark file. Will be included next update. | |
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Still no joy Raven, but don't worry about it. As anyone on the Seti side will tell you, I way beyond dumb when it comes to computers and technical stuff. | |
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kenzieB wrote: Still no joy Raven,.. I think I see a problem here, and it's not with kenzieB. I can see her placemark quite clearly in Google Earth, but not when viewed via Google Maps. I checked my own, and I show up in both. But under Z I only see Zain in Maps, while there are two others there with Earth. I've not done an exhaustive check of every letter, but it appears that some subset of placemarks are either missing or not shown with Google maps. Looks like we have a mystery here (and we like solving mysteries). ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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kenzieB wrote: Still no joy Raven, but don't worry about it. As anyone on the Seti side will tell you, I way beyond dumb when it comes to computers and technical stuff. At this point you should change your punishment selection to Misfit. ____________ ![]() | |
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Wormholio wrote: I think I see a problem here, and it's not with kenzieB. I can see her placemark quite clearly in Google Earth, but not when viewed via Google Maps. I noticed somethin’ similar in an earlier version o’ th’ file, mentioned somewhere upthread. ____________ ![]() Was that a Siren I heard? | |
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The file has been updated again. Once again go here to download. | |
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Thank you Odyesseus, Raven and Wormholio (Captain, my Captain) but the issue likely is with me. | |
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kenzieB wrote: Thank you Odyesseus, Raven and Wormholio (Captain, my Captain) but the issue likely is with me. I'm sorry miss, but that "I'm just a dumb girl" bit does not pass muster on this ship. Besides, we can plainly see signs of intelligence in your caution about what you download. I think the problem here is with the clever fellas at Google. The latest placemarks file shows things up-to-date in Google Earth, but is still lacking on Maps. The "B"'s are missing for most users, and there are fewer of them, which makes me think that Maps is using an older, stale version of the placemarks file. The one other possibility is that our Master of the Charts has to do something else when uploading the newest version to bring it up to date separately for Maps. But I would not expect that. Still, perhaps he can verify that there is no such thing needed? ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Wormholio wrote: The latest placemarks file shows things up-to-date in Google Earth, but is still lacking on Maps. The "B"'s are missing for most users, and there are fewer of them, which makes me think that Maps is using an older, stale version of the placemarks file. Setup of .kmz file from GE3 to the recently released GE4 is slightly different. My original file (built with GE3) shows on GE but not Maps. Maybe I should upload the same file built with GE4 and see if it then shows on Maps? ____________ ![]() Click and enter your name for your BOINC Statistics | |
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kenzieB wrote: Google Earth requires DirectX which I haven't installed. I was warned that it could allow others to control my 'putter and being a paranoid sort of person. If I read the preferences in Google Earth correctly, you can use it either with DirectX or OpenGL, and you likely have OpenGL simply as part of your video card's drivers. Our Fearless Leader wrote: The one other possibility is that our Master of the Charts has to do something else when uploading the newest version to bring it up to date separately for Maps. But I would not expect that. Still, perhaps he can verify that there is no such thing needed? I've not seen anything of the sort, but then, I've only been dealing with the pages that are Google Earth specific, not G-Maps. I'll take a look over it, though. ____________ ![]() | |
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Okay, I've taken a quick look over a few things, and here's what I've come up with so far... Google Maps wrote: Parts of http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/... could not be displayed because it contains errors. Personally, I edit my files directly in GE, rather than mess around with doing it by text editor, so I have no idea what that means. However, I also found the following interesting example... In the "K" section on Maps, we have Keith Stanley, we have Knightmare, and we have absolutely nothing in between (kenzieB included). Keith's placemark had an open "<CENTER>" tag in the label, but no "</CENTER>" closing tag. (It does now!) Looking through the other intersecting labels, there is no closing tag until the placemark for Kirsten, which is directly before Knightmare's placemark. Thus all the placemarks affected by this "bad" html are missing. In short, Maps seems to be a lot less forgiving of errors in code than GE itself is, possibly including labels that contain URLs without a link tag. (GE converts these to active links automatically, but I have no clue how Maps deals with them.) I will endeavour to clean things up, but this will take some time. As a side note, I also have no idea why red and gold "B" icons show up, but the blue ones don't. That's what I've found so far... I'll keep everyone posted. ____________ ![]() | |
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Raven wrote: If I read the preferences in Google Earth correctly, you can use it either with DirectX or OpenGL, and you likely have OpenGL simply as part of your video card's drivers. Indeed, if it required DirectX I don’t reckon ’twould work on a Mac at all. Needless t’ say that preference ain’t present in th’ Mac version o’ GE. ____________ ![]() Was that a Siren I heard? | |
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code {dwarf}: Got your placemark file. Inclusion next update. | |
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Another update! Check it out here to download. | |
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RE: Viewing the file in Google Maps. | |
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Raven wrote: RE: Viewing the file in Google Maps. Congratulations, that's progress. [EDIT: Okay, I'm stumped. ... I'll keep at the code cleanup, but I'm not sure how much more I can do here. Sorry.] I think we'll be able to get to the "centre" of the problem (and that's a hint ;-) Thanks for all you've done so far. As I said before, I think the real problem is with the folks at Google. It seems like the problem might be that Maps is not so good at parsing XML which might contain errors or incomplete blocks. But that's just my guess -- we can try to test it. I unpacked the .kmz file and viewed just doc.kml (which is XML) with Firefox. Firefox seems to do a good job of matching tags, even though I see some unmatched HTML tags in the description fields. Google Earth probably does the same, while Maps gets confused. A good way to attack this problem would be to make a copy of the file to use for testing. Then people can continue to use the good copy while we play with the test version. If you put the test copy on Google Earth Community and let us know where it is then the crew can help you sort this out. Some other ideas are: * Divide and conquer: break the test file into smaller parts (like just the A's or Z's) and see if you can understand the problem on the smaller parts. * Divide and conquer II: if it seems that the problem is due to an isolated fault somehwere in the file then we can find it most efficiently by a binary search: try just the first half or last half of the file and see which has the fault. Then divide that section in half and see which half has the fault. And so on... * To see if the problem is caused by HTML problems in the description blocks of various placemarks, then try removing the ALL description blocks to see if that improves the situation. If you are willing to try some of these things, I would guess that some of the crew would be willing to help with feedback and further suggestions. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Our Intrepid Captain wrote: I think we'll be able to get to the "centre" of the problem. Wait a minute... I'm Canadian. Isn't that spelled correctly? ;) (Had noticed those. Seems they were cut-and-pasted as templates into most of bjango's original file. I've eliminated a lot of them, but I guess not all.) I will take your advice and try looking at the XML of it. I still prefer to work in GE itself, but that would be a big help. I'll let everyone know where help would be needed, once I do. Cheers! ____________ ![]() | |
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Raven wrote: Wait a minute... I'm Canadian. Isn't that spelled correctly? ;)Not when it begins <center> and ends </centre> :-) Those may be part of the problem, but I'm guessing not all of it. ...I still prefer to work in GE itself, but that would be a big help. I'll let everyone know where help would be needed, once I do. Cheers! I think some of the things I suggested, like breaking the file down into smaller pieces to find a particular problem, could be done just with GE and test versions of the file, at least at first, without having to dig into the XML until later. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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A little update to the above problem: | |
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Raven wrote: A little update to the above problem: I know this might need to be done in any case, but I also have a test we could try to see if it's really the cause of the problem: Just take out all the <description> blocks and see what happens (publish the result as a separate file to avoid interfering with people using the current one). We've been assuming that the messed up HTML in various placmark labels is the cause of the problem on Maps, but it's not clear to me that this has to be the case. After looking at the KML some more I see that any HTML is protected by a CDATA block, presumably to protect against bad HTML. Maybe Maps screws up anyway, or maybe the problem persists when you eliminate all descriptions? Or maybe it fixes it? It should be a quick test, and easier on you than editing all those placemarks by hand. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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There appears to be a problem with the website at http://www.pcschmiede.de.tf/boinc/, which hosted a GE placemark file of BOINC project-related locations. | |
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An update on the issue at the site pcschmiede.de.tf: | |
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The maintainer of the BOINC Project Locations file for GE has graciously moved the file from his original site with the adult advertising (that was out of his control) to his blog, which is clear of such things. The URL is http://cb-tools.pytalhost.de/blog/?p=12 | |
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I have just updated the file again. Click here to download. | |
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Re: Viewing the file in Google Maps, | |
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I have made some progress on generating a Placemarks file from the Pirate@Home preferences. You can download and view the first draft from http://pirates.spy-hill.net/user_profile/placemarks.kml (this may not be the final URL for such a thing, but it's where I put it for now). | |
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Wormholio wrote: Even so, I can see that some folks have their placemarks 180 degrees off due to not specifying east/west longitude, and I also seem to have stated the wrong convention in the input form (which I've fixed). Just tried to reinput the location. Now the seconds are cut off only degrees and minutes stay. So it will probably/possibly loose exactness? And my N and E have vanished, too. Is it now with plus and minus? Which is which? We'll see when i have finished the "google atlantic" swim in some days. ____________ Dragons can fly because they don't fit into pirate ships ![]() | |
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Kalessin wrote: Just tried to reinput the location. Now the seconds are cut off only degrees and minutes stay. So it will probably/possibly loose exactness? And my N and E have vanished, too. Is it now with plus and minus? Which is which? It should preserve whatever you type in, including minutes and seconds, N or S, E or W. For the placemarks file it will convert these to decimal degrees, with West and South negative. But that is for the placemarks file, and should not have an effect on what you type in your preferences. In fact, it should be very good about allowing a wide variety of formats ( Degrees, minutes, seconds, degrees and decimal minutes, decimal degrees), and I'd like to hear about any input format which should work but doesn't. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Wormholio wrote:
Just for testing, I now have the preferences display show both what you typed in and how it will be translated. So you should be able to see immediately how well it handles different ways of entering the coordinates. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Wormholio wrote: It should preserve whatever you type in, including minutes and seconds, N or S, E or W. For the placemarks file it will convert these to decimal degrees, with West and South negative. But that is for the placemarks file, and should not have an effect on what you type in your preferences. In fact, it should be very good about allowing a wide variety of formats ( Degrees, minutes, seconds, degrees and decimal minutes, decimal degrees), and I'd like to hear about any input format which should work but doesn't. Ok I can type it in, then its well. But when I reenter the "edit preferences" page there is again only 53°35 without the last '25.63 N. And I need not enter the inputfield of the homeport. The program translates both versions to 53.583333333333 even if i type in only 53°35. I dont really know but shouldn't there be a difference? Comparing the two places in Google earth: they are about 1.4 km from each other. Perhaps I've missed something. ____________ Dragons can fly because they don't fit into pirate ships ![]() | |
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Kalessin wrote: Ok I can type it in, then its well. But when I reenter the "edit preferences" page there is again only 53°35 without the last '25.63 N. And I need not enter the inputfield of the homeport. The program translates both versions to 53.583333333333 even if i type in only 53°35. Okay, I see what is going on. The number is entered correctly, but it is not shown correctly in the input box because the minute-mark is being mistaken for the single quote which closes the item. I've added something to show this to the form. I will think through the best way to deal with this (and perhaps a similar problem with seconds-mark being mistaken for a double quote). So it's nothing wrong on your end. Thanks for testing it. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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I jus’ launched Google Earth ’n found that th’ BOINC placemarks—both versions, Raven’s ’n Noel_B’s—have been added t’ th’ Google Earth Community Forums under “Earth Browsing”, without any special icons, jus’ th’ generic “i” symbols. I wonder whether or nah thar’s any way t’ suppress th’ ole version. | |
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Odysseus wrote:
That's a case it is supposed to handle correctly.
Since by convention East is positive and West is negative, leaving out W or a minus sign would indeed put you out in Siberia. And in fact that's where I saw you when I looked. You should be able to add "W" either as a prefix or postfix, or put a minus sign on the number. Give it a try. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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I must have broken something. | |
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KSMarksPsych wrote:
You caught me just as I was working on it. It should now be possible to use ' and " in lattitude and longitude. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Odysseus wrote: I jus’ launched Google Earth ’n found that th’ BOINC placemarks—both versions, Raven’s ’n Noel_B’s—have been added t’ th’ Google Earth Community Forums under “Earth Browsing”, without any special icons, jus’ th’ generic “i” symbols. I wonder whether or nah thar’s any way t’ suppress th’ ole version. When something is added to the generic community layer, they all get just the standard "i"'s, simply because downloading the lot of special icons would probably clog your connection for hours. I don't believe there's any way to get rid of the old version unless, at the very least, bjango were to delete his original post. ____________ ![]() | |
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Wormholio wrote:
Just pointin’ out that it did … Since by convention East is positive and West is negative, leaving out W or a minus sign would indeed put you out in Siberia. And in fact that's where I saw you when I looked. Reentered in DMS wit’ hemispheres ’n they were parsed correctly. Th’ Heavens Above site has a map o’ th’ locations that ’ave been registered thar. A fair number appear t’ come from erroneous coordinate entries. ____________ ![]() Was that a Siren I heard? | |
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Odysseus wrote:
Neat map. But then Heavens Above is neat in general. I enjoy going out to catch an Iridium flare every now and again. It's especially impressive when the sky is a bit cloudy but the flare burns through it, right where it's predicted to appear. It makes you believe in math and physics. :-) Some of the positions on that map may just be random entries. You can see pretty clearly that some people just entered some number for latitude (maybe the correct one, maybe not) and zero for longitude. Or perhaps they entered an invalid longitude value and it was converted to zero. Either way, you can see the ghost of the Prime Meridian on the map. But you don't see the same effect for the equator. I wonder why. It makes some sense that people might make data entry errors when there are several ways to enter the same value, and you have to remember the sign convention, and you don't have a direct way to check. I wonder if we could make use of a Google gadget to show a map of what you've entered, for confirmation. I'll look into that. I have intentionally left off any instructions or examples in the data entry form, to see the different ways people might enter coordinates. But I think giving an example would also help prevent errors, so I'll add that once this first round of testing is over. QuarkNet has over 200 cosmic ray detectors, with positions surveyed using GPS. I'm sure they have cross-checked their positions, but I'm wondering if we'll catch a data entry error when we plot the cluster. We shall see... ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Here is a direct link to the Heavens Above map: http://www.heavens-above.com/worldvisits.aspx | |
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Wormholio wrote: You caught me just as I was working on it. I seem to be good at doing that. ____________ Kathryn :o) The BOINC FAQ Service The Unofficial BOINC Wiki The Trac System | |
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I have just updated the file again. (Sorry, no headway in the Google Maps issues. Real life has been intruding.) Click here to download. | |
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At long last, a new update. Click here to download. | |
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And now for something completely different... a long overdueupdate. Click here to download. Apologies to those who waited so patiently to be added. | |
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At the next update, please move my position to Columbus, IN (47201) as it shows me down in Texas where I used to live. Thanks. | |
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ThePhantom86: Will do. Hope to have more frequent updates from now on. Maybe. :) | |
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Congrats. :) | |
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It shows me to be in the middle of a field. Nice! | |
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Kinguni wrote: Are the founders on the list just founders of Pirates@Home teams? Not strictly. I'm doing this across a few projects, so it's for the founder of any team on any project (or multiple projects). ____________ ![]() | |
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At long last, an update! Click here to download. | |
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Another update! I'm on a roll! Click here to download. | |
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Raven wrote: Note to Wormholio: I have incorporated all the files from the uploaded placemark folder. You can delete what's there as of today now. Thanks. I cleaned the directory, but then remembered that we also now collect "Home Port" location from project preferences. So I ran the script to collect those, and now you'll find one file of those placemarks in that directory. I don't know how many are new or changed. Thanks. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Wormholio wrote: So I ran the script to collect those, and now you'll find one file of those placemarks in that directory. I don't know how many are new or changed. Looks like a fair number of them are new, and some are ones I already have that have been moved, whether intentionally or accidentally. (Yours is slightly changed from the position I currently have... Kinguni's is an even 180 degrees of longitude off the location I have him in my file.) And some have renamed their account names, or have indicated actual residences (which I don't want to do, for obvious reasons). I will include the new ones as is... the changed ones I will leave behind with a note here to check your placement and get back to me. You can erase the file, I have it. ____________ ![]() | |
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Raven wrote: You can erase the file, I have it. Better yet, I'll have RoboCodeDwarf generate a new one every week or so. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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An almost all-Pirates update! Click here to download. | |
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Raven wrote: KSMarksPsych...You were all previously included in the file. Your placemarks have NOT been changed. I would appreciate it if you reviewed the location of your placemark in the current file and get back to me regarding your wishes for it (including adding team tags in some cases). Since I'm in Korea now and I plan on staying roughly another 18 months, the marker in Ulsan is most appropriate for me. .-) ____________ Kathryn :o) The BOINC FAQ Service The Unofficial BOINC Wiki The Trac System | |
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I've found a bug in the coordinates parsing. I've already asked for a list of allowed homeport positional formats in the past (if I could just find it), nevertheless although following position is accepted: Latitude: N 48º 12.089'
Longitude: E 17° 09.690' Google maps is placing me a bit off...... I wondered, but found out: exactly at N48, E17. So I'm repeating my wish: please the list of supported positional formats ,-) ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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[Pepo]I've found a bug in the coordinates parsing. I've already asked for a list of allowed homeport positional formats in the past (if I could just find it), nevertheless although following position is accepted: Latitude: N 48º 12.089'
Longitude: E 17° 09.690' [quote]Yes, there did seem to be some mix-up regarding entering in decimal minutes as you did (which were transferred to the label information of your placemark correctly) and the actual placing in GE. I entered the co-ordinates you supplied, as-is, into GE by hand for you and it converted them automatically to minutes and seconds, so, you've been repositioned. ____________ ![]() | |
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Click here to download today's update! | |
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Pepo wrote:
Well, there are two possibilities: do you want the ideal, expected formats to be supported, or the ones in practice? Ideally, any format should be supported. If it's clear to a human then the computer should be able to parse it too. We should have the computer do the work when it can, and let people enter the coordinates in any reasonable format. (It always bugs me when a site wants you to enter a credit card number with no spaces, or a telephone number with no spaces or hyphens. Those are things that make reading and typing the number easier, and the computer can easily remove them or adjust for them. In fact if it's a US phone number and there is a hyphen in it, you can use that as another check to validate the input data). In practice? We try to pares all reasonable formats, but it doesn't always work. In your case, I think you entered two different symbols for degrees, and they may or may not have been the ones I'm looking for. So the fix would be to allow for any of a wide range of symbols to specify degrees, as well as ' for minutes and either " or double ' for seconds, or decimal degrees. I do want to get this working, not just for this placemarks project but also for I2U2. The QuarkNet e-Lab for I2U2 has about 250 cosmic ray detectors in place, primarily at schools, and we've been talking about making a placemarks file to show that array in Google Earth. I don't know yet if they forced users to enter the detector positions in a particular format, or if they allowed several formats. I expect that once the positions are shown on a map we'll discover some errors. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Raven wrote: Yes, there did seem to be some mix-up regarding entering in decimal minutes as you did (which were transferred to the label information of your placemark correctly) and the actual placing in GE. I entered the co-ordinates you supplied, as-is, into GE by hand for you and it converted them automatically to minutes and seconds, so, you've been repositioned. I seem still to be placed at N48.000,E17.000 .-) Possibly because the linked Gooogle maps page says: BOINC Users.kmz I've noticed the same problem with Anblick - instead of staying in southeast Denver, he had to migrate some 100 miles southeast into fields, to N39.00°, W104.00°. The same with [B^S] elektrohase - in the fields around N48.00, E14.00 instead of mid Kronstorf. And detto with Darth Roxx - he even used German notation for East - 8° 23′ O, but still the position was truncated to full degrees. OTOH, I've noticed that format like 41°44'28.50"N is parsed correctly. [edit]Not really, seconds are truncated.[/edit] Wormholio wrote:
Doesn't matter, there can be 3-4 formats, mostly used in the praxis, which coud supported by the parser and I have no problem to generate my position in any of them: +48.2014833 48.2014833º 48º 12.089' 48º 12' 5.34" 48°12'05.34" N/S/E/W in front of the number N/S/E/W behind the number and so on... In practice? We try to pares all reasonable formats, but it doesn't always work. In your case, I think you entered two different symbols for degrees, and they may or may not have been the ones I'm looking for. Yes, it was intentionally (or deliberately?), I've found two similar symbols back then and didn't know which will be recognized - and both were accepted. So the fix would be to allow for any of a wide range of symbols to specify degrees, as well as ' for minutes and either " or double ' for seconds, or decimal degrees. As a first approximation, I've noticed that the Pirates@Home preferences page immediately displays the parsed position, like: Displayed prefs: Latitude: N48°12'23" (translates to 48.2) - (The forum SW has stolen some text here, it possibly looked like html stuff. Not so important.) At least I know now which derees symbol was the correct one! ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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Pepo wrote: As a first approximation, I've noticed that the Pirates@Home preferences page immediately displays the parsed position, like: That's debugging code I used when I wrote the parser, and I just turned it back on so that we can see if we can see where the problems are. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Pepo wrote: I've noticed the same problem with Anblick - instead of staying in southeast Denver, he had to migrate some 100 miles southeast into fields, to N39.00°, W104.00°. I may see something. It looks like there is a space _after_ the degree symbol, whatever is used, and the parser may not like that. (Bad parser! No biscuit.) ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Wormholio wrote: (Bad parser! No biscuit.) Crack it anyway! ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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Blargh... 'scuse me while I go through the ones I added. Someone pour me a rum. | |
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Raven, thanks for getting me home .-) | |
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Pepo wrote: I've found two similar symbols back then and didn't know which will be recognized - and both were accepted. AFAICT only one of them (in your longitude as originally given) is actually a degree symbol. The other (in your latitude above) is the masculine ordinal symbol, as in “1º”, primo, for example; it’s actually a tiny “o”, rather than a perfect circle*, and in some fonts it’s underlined. * In fonts where the “o” is a perfect circle, you can still usually distinguish the two symbols by their size or weight. P.S. A third one to watch for is the Danish (?) ring accent, as in “Ångstrom”: it’s usually smaller and lighter than either of the other two. ____________ ![]() Was that a Siren I heard? | |
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Update time! Click here to download! | |
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I got your updates right here! | |
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My apologies, Scott, I hadn't downloaded the file of placemarks from Pirates lately. I have you now and though I won't be putting your name down as added yet I am putting you up in the file, so all you have to do is download it again. | |
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New update time! Click here to download. | |
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Uploaded my placemark (at http://pirates.spy-hill.net/placemark_upload.php), I hope this does still work... :-) | |
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Did my location change for the day too? | |
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Looking good! | |
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Clyde wrote: Did my location change for the day too? Whether our Chart Master Monkey's Paw (a.k.a. Raven) is that prompt? So, then, I seem to be the Little Cinta (CHEEN tah): San Diego Zoo wrote: [size=+1]Cinta (The Baby)[/size] Absolutely APE! ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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His mom, Indah, ... Indah looks similar to Kalessin's avatar? [size=-3]Are we supposed to be relative apes?[/size] ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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After far longer than I would have cared for it to be, here at last is a new update! Click here to download. | |
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After far too long again (sorry!), a new update! Click here to download. | |
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An all-Pirate update this time. Click here to download. | |
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kinhull wrote: Stick me on 53.739961,-0.330769 which should put me on top of the Tidal Barrier on the River Hull (Hull, UK) Hi, Kinhull. Sorry for the late reply, I've been out of the loop a while, as you can see. You are already in the file, in approximately the location you specified. You must have been in bjango's original, as I have no record of adding you. You can double check the position or, if you would like, I will shuffle it over to the one above. Cheers! ____________ ![]() | |
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Hey,, If I wasn't already listed.... Everett, WA USA or 98204. | |
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Viking69 wrote: And where is the MAP? The placemark file (BOINC Users.kmz) for Google Earth is available on this page. ____________ ![]() Click and enter your name for your BOINC Statistics | |
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