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Pirates@Home now has a new section - a Pirates' glossary | |
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[[bilge rat]] | |
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I added something on [[Configuring user permissions]] talk page, had to confirm my email first. | |
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I added something on [[Configuring user permissions]] talk page, had to confirm my email first. I'll respond on the talk page. Don't forget that ~~~~ is turned into a signature on talk pages. How did the e-mail confirmation work? Was it the wiki which set it up and ran the dialogue, or was it through BOINC? I have it configured so that the fact that you have verified your e-mail in BOINC is conveyed over to the wiki, but I've not tried it in that detail. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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[[bilge rat]] Okay, but now someone needs to fill in the definitions for these, and/or links to other sources. [[spec!al Characte$]] seem to not work? Aye, and it's for the best. The wiki has some limitations on what can be in a title and what cannot. But perhaps the BOINC forum code which makes the links here is not in tune with the wiki rules? ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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How did the e-mail confirmation work? Was it the wiki which set it up and ran the dialogue, or was it through BOINC? I have it configured so that the fact that you have verified your e-mail in BOINC is conveyed over to the wiki, but I've not tried it in that detail. Everything about the confirmation email was from inside the wiki. I don't remember having confirmed my email via BOINC, maybe I did in the old times of account keys... | |
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Everything about the confirmation email was from inside the wiki. I don't remember having confirmed my email via BOINC, maybe I did in the old times of account keys... If you have not confirmed your e-mail address with BOINC then it will tell you this on both the home page and your account page. And if you have, then the wiki should not ask for it. But I think I did not yet implement that bit. An item for round 2... ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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And if you have, then the wiki should not ask for it. But I think I did not yet implement that bit. I just implemented it. If your email address has been verified in BOINC then it should be considered to be verified in the wiki. And if you are banned in BOINC then you are automatically in the "brig" on the wiki. Both will of course need to be tested. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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On the Alphabetical Index, when clicking on any letter of which a word is in the Glossary, all other categories are shown as well (click A, you see C to M). Click on a letter above the last one in the Glossary and it shows nothing. | |
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On the Alphabetical Index, when clicking on any letter of which a word is in the Glossary, all other categories are shown as well (click A, you see C to M). Click on a letter above the last one in the Glossary and it shows nothing. I found this somewhat confusing at first too, but the way it seems to work is that if you click on C then it shows you entries starting with "C" and those that follow, up to filling a page or so. Since we don't have very many entries it seems like it's giving you everything, but after we fill this up a bit it may look more like what you expect. ____________ -- Rusty McGee Johnson | |
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Although my Recent average credit is now 0.94 (and thus effectively puts me into the seaman category), I was able to successfully create the [[BBCode Tags]] (BBCode Tags) page. | |
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Wormholio wrote: Pirates@Home now has a new section - a Pirates' glossary The Glossary link at the top & bottom of the pages is severely broken - points to nowhere ;-) (It points to ".../glossary/" instead of ".../glossary" as in the message. And sorry for slightly modifying what you actually said :-) [edit]Ooops, I could swear by my cannon that the slashed link did initially not work, IE reported only "Page not found" or so. Maybe some browser magic is involved?[/edit] ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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Although my Recent average credit is now 0.94 (and thus effectively puts me into the seaman category), I was able to successfully create the [[BBCode Tags]] page. Thanks for testing this. It correctly put you in the category of seaman, but it seems that it still lets you edit because you are a 'user', and anybody who is a 'user' can edit. It looks like I need to change how the group permissions are implemented. This is very useful. The threshold of a RAC of 1.0 was just picked out of my pirate hat, so I'm glad you ended up just under it. Thank you. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Although my Recent average credit is now 0.94 (and thus effectively puts me into the seaman category), I was able to successfully create the [[BBCode Tags]] page. I've made some changes which I hope will separate the seamen from the able_seamen and fix this. Please try it again. (And thanks for the BBcode page. Too bad we now have 3 different markup schemes to deal with.) ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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I've made some changes which I hope will separate the seamen from the able_seamen and fix this. Please try it again. I could see only the text without various tabs at the top. After clicking tiny edit link on the right side, I've got: "This page has been locked to prevent editing. Thanks for being successfully degraded to unable_seaman :-) ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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I've made some changes which I hope will separate the seamen from the able_seamen and fix this. Please try it again. Same here, but with my RAC I should be able to edit. ____________ Free Tibet/ Tibet Libre Team Forum ![]() ![]() | |
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[[Blame Misfit]] I've tried hard, but was not allowed to :-) ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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Same here, but with my RAC I should be able to edit. I can edit. I just added an 'a' to the administrtors. ;) ____________ Jord. The BOINC FAQ Service. | |
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I can't even see the wiki type pages. I seem to get a properly formed URL, however it is just a blank page. I tried most of the links here as well as the link on the home page. I am using IE7 on windows XP, and firefox on FC6. | |
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I see that effect with Mozilla on multiple other pages, John. What if you immediately reload, do the pages load then? I think it's a caching/prefetch problem of the browser. | |
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Pepo wrote: Rusty on User talk:Rusty wrote: Capt'n, how is it done, if someone is not (yet) allowed to create / modify documents, is there some way how to put a question or leace a note (maybe to the user talk areas)? And, from here to Glossary, is translation of user names (something like [[User:Rusty]]) possible? ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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Pepo wrote: how is it done, if someone is not (yet) allowed to create / modify documents, is there some way how to put a question or leave a note (maybe to the user talk areas)? We have to see how the various permissions really work. I've modified the 'seaman' class so that they may create a talk page, but not create or edit an article. I now wonder if that also allows you to edit an existing talk page? It would also be possible to allow a seaman to edit an existing page but not create a new one. And, from here to Glossary, is translation of user names (something like [[User:Rusty]]) possible? It should be, once I allow : as a character in the text. Let's see if that worked.... ____________ -- Rusty McGee Johnson | |
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I can't even see the wiki type pages. I seem to get a properly formed URL, however it is just a blank page. I tried most of the links here as well as the link on the home page. I am using IE7 on windows XP, and firefox on FC6. I'm with John on this one. Can't see any of those pages. Totally blank. Special code to block viewing by members of me crew is it? ;-) Harrrr! ____________ Team Starfire World BOINC! | |
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Same here, but with my RAC I should be able to edit. I see you in the wiki user database, but you are not listed as an 'able_seaman', though other users are. The group assignment is made when you log in, so if you were already logged in to the wiki then the changes I made won't take effect until you log out and log back in. To test this I've lowered the threshold to 0.90. Pepo, if you logout and then log in again you should be able to edit. Let me know. If you still cannot edit then try logging out, visit the wiki, then log back in again. I have tried to make the logout clear both BOINC and wiki (by making them share the same PHP session, and then clearing the one session at logout) but this also should be tested. It might be possible to check for changes in RAC at each connection, but this could increase the work load on the server side unless I can find a clever way to detect just recent changes. We might try this in any case. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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It might be possible to check for changes in RAC at each connection, but this could increase the work load on the server side unless I can find a clever way to detect just recent changes. We might try this in any case. It's already checking user level on each connection, which I guess it's stored on the DB, so I don't see how it will cause more load. | |
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It's already checking user level on each connection, which I guess it's stored on the DB, so I don't see how it will cause more load. On each connection it now just checks for a BOINC session, and if there is on then checks for an existing wiki session, then compares the authenticators, and if they match you are in. No further work. When you first log in, or if the wiki session does not match the BOINC authentication, then it does a bit more. It then copies over BOINC information (like username, e-mail address and verification status) and checks RAC. We could do that on every connection, but it seems like overkill. We could try it -- we can try all sorts of things. I have some concern about the load on the server, since the wiki code is more complicated than the BOINC code and therefore likely to require more cycles on the server. This may or may not be what is happening with JKeck and Kinguni - the server takes so long that the browser gives up. But that is just one hypothesis at this point. It's the same software as is used on Wikipedia. Can those having problems getting even a single page try the Wikipedia? I'm sure they can read that, but let's be good scientifical pirates and verify. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Because I can read German, it would seem Wikipedia censors its users and material. ;) | |
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Rusty wrote: We have to see how the various permissions really work. I've modified the 'seaman' class so that they may create a talk page, but not create or edit an article. I now wonder if that also allows you to edit an existing talk page? And to test this I've returned the threshold to RAC > 1.0, so Pepo is again demoted to simply a 'seaman'. (We'll have to think of a reward for him for this in the end...) ____________ -- Rusty McGee Johnson | |
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Interesting. Logged out I reach the glossary fine. Logged in, instead or reaching a blank page, I now get this: | |
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Interesting. Logged out I reach the glossary fine. Logged in, instead or reaching a blank page, I now get this: I tweaked how it finds you. Please try it now, when you get a chance. Thanks. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Interesting. Logged out I reach the glossary fine. Logged in, instead or reaching a blank page, I now get this: Same error Cap'n. ____________ Team Starfire World BOINC! | |
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Rusty wrote: We have to see how the various permissions really work. I've modified the 'seaman' class so that they may create a talk page, but not create or edit an article. I now wonder if that also allows you to edit an existing talk page? I've missed the powers borrowed... the only thing I can edit now are my prefereces. Finally I've found the stuff page and saw that I'm the only real seaman. Then there are some few able_seamen and some admirality... Majority of pirates do not have a title yet (effectively black souls (or passengers) on a pirate ship) - is it because they did not yet enter the Glossary? (We'll have to think of a reward for him for this in the end...) No problem, I think a fairly sized treasure box filled with dubloons and some jewels and just a barrel of (Jord mother's) grog will make it good! ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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Interesting. Logged out I reach the glossary fine. Logged in, instead or reaching a blank page, I now get this: I changed my username back to Kinguni (took {pirate} off the end) and now I can access it just fine. I think the 2 part username may have caused the problem. ____________ Team Starfire World BOINC! | |
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Kinguni {pirate} wrote: Same error Cap'n. I think I've figured it out, thanks to Pepo's link to the list of all users. When I try to pull up your user page I get: Bad title The requested page title was invalid, empty, or an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title. It may contain one more characters which cannot be used in titles. I suspect that the curly brackets in your name are allowed in a BOINC user name, but not by Mediawiki. And once your account is created on the wiki that name is fixed in stone. Then yer screwed. This may well be the problem keeping JKeck out as well, and there are others who may have problems due to their name. Let me see what I can do about this... ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Capt'n, my last eye sees you're mising the preview feature too... | |
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Oh, I bet it was the {} then. ____________ Team Starfire World BOINC! | |
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OK, now I get the db error again. | |
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24hrs ago I wasn't allowed to edit, but all good now. | |
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I now see user list page with Pepo as the only seaman. Travesty! I'm not alone anymore! Simek joined me! ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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Give it another week and we'll all be there, Peter. All this lying in the harbor doesn't give us much to work on. ;) | |
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If we'd sail away, I could possibly fight for and collect some gold and then be promoted to "be able". (dreams) | |
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collect some gold Thinking about that, shouldn't the Credits here be Gold and the RAC be RAG, RAB or RAL, Captain? (Recent Average Gold, Bullion or Loot) ____________ Jord. The BOINC FAQ Service. | |
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Thinking about that, shouldn't the Credits here be Gold and the RAC be RAG, Captain? (Recent Average Gold) Fine idea! You can write a proposal of a description page in the Pirates' Glossary :-) ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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I have adjusted the permissions again, to what I think matches better how the wiki applies them and how they might best be used here. A seaman can edit any existing page (unless it is protected) but may not create a new one, except if it is a talk page. An able_seaman can create a new page, and can also upload images, which a simple seaman cannot do. | |
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collect some gold I've heard somewhere credits from Pirates@Home refered to as [[Gold Dust]] ____________ -- Rusty McGee Johnson | |
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Give it another week and we'll all be there, Peter. All this lying in the harbor doesn't give us much to work on. ;) I'm interested to see if this really works as expected. As RAC decreases more members of the crew should change from able_seaman to seaman. But the change should only be made if they log out and log in again. An able_seaman who stays logged in on his browser even as his RAC drops below 1.0 should remain an able_seaman until at least the end of the browser session. And we will be in the harbor for at least another week, since there is nothing ready yet for testing as far as applications. (I really could use some of those code dwarves :-) ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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I've heard somewhere credits from Pirates@Home refered to as [[Gold Dust]] It's only a myth, do not believe him! I can prove it! [size=-2]Yes it seems to work as predicted.[/size] ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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An able_seaman who stays logged in on his browser even as his RAC drops below 1.0 should remain an able_seaman until at least the end of the browser session. Everyone immediately sets their Pirates cookies to never expire.... ;) ____________ Jord. The BOINC FAQ Service. | |
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An able_seaman who stays logged in on his browser even as his RAC drops below 1.0 should remain an able_seaman until at least the end of the browser session. ...and suddenly the Pirates' Glossary Bureaucrats will come with another idea requiring RAG > 1.59 to become (........) ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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...and suddenly the Pirates' Glossary Bureaucrats will come with another idea requiring RAG > 1.59 to become (........) Something like that. Now you need at least RAC > 0.01 (one "cobblepenny") to even become a seaman. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Now you need at least RAC > 0.01 (one "cobblepenny") to even become a seaman. Right so. It possibly takes some time here, but seems to be necessary. At least at larger tankers, maybe not at tiny galeons. One more idea - Glossary uses external links for instance to MediaWiki for e.g. Formatting. Could there be a requirement from closed-comunity to have internet-independent wiki? Or is it rather unusual? ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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Right so. It possibly takes some time here, but seems to be necessary. At least at larger tankers, maybe not at tiny galeons. Now I wonder why a galleon even needs a tanker... has the age of the oil-burning steamship arrived? ____________ Jord. The BOINC FAQ Service. | |
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One more idea - Glossary uses external links for instance to MediaWiki for e.g. Formatting. Could there be a requirement from closed-comunity to have internet-independent wiki? Or is it rather unusual? You mean on an intranet, closed off from the Internet? Yes, you could do this. You can have several wiki's tied together, and you could even perhaps get a copy of the MediaWiki content for documentation and serve it from an internal site. It's called Interwiki linking It's also easy to make links to the other wikis which are tied together this way. You make a wiki link with the square brackets, but put a prefix before or between colons specifying the other wiki. The prefixes are configurable. So the link above would be coded in the wiki as [ [:mw:Help:Interwiki linking]]. (In the BOINC forums you can only use the double bracket shortcut to link to the wiki to which it is tied.) ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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Drat it, I hits da glossary, on main page, this un's is what I gets. Did not eyeball any other similar comment in this thread. But I do need new trifocals. | |
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Drat it, I hits da glossary, on main page, this un's is what I gets. Did not eyeball any other similar comment in this thread. But I do need new trifocals. edit - I just joined another host to the project and now I get the glossary page. DUH? - tide edit edit- Double drat, if I'm logged in I get the database error. But if I log out then I can see the glossary. I can navigate thru the glossary as long as I do not log in, once I log in I get the data base error again on everything that I select. Brig time for me as I missed the edjit button on the previous post. Grog me pleaseeeee. roark ____________ May you always have clear skies, Following seas And the wind at your back. | |
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roark wrote:
I wonder if this is related to the fact that your username begins with a lower case letter. The wiki wants it upper case. I though that it would convert it, though your "Real Name" on the wiki would still be lower case. If you are in, what is your username on the wiki, roark or Roark? And if you check your preferences what does it show for your Real Name? I can see I need to look more carefully at how BOINC and the wiki deal with user names. Thank for the report(s). ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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I still can't get the glossary logged in Cap'n. | |
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The preferences are in lower case and I do not show up in the "crew list" of users. Every time that I do log in, while in or out of the glossary, I database error out. I will change the preferences to upper case to see what happens. This is the second time I've entered this reply. I started the reply while I was logged in, then I logged out to look at the glossary, I then completed this entry. When I clicked "post reply", it required me to login, which I did, at that point it dropped all of my reply and I've re-typed this entry. edit- Well I changed preferences to upper case and I still error out when I am logged in. Also when I was logged out and in the "Configuring User Permission" page i clicked on an 'edit' key and it asked me to log in with just my 'Email address and my password' it did not give me the alternative of using my 'account key'. Guess what I, normally use. -tide Roark ____________ May you always have clear skies, Following seas And the wind at your back. | |
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Right now we have a picky wiki which will not let you in if your BOINC user name has curly brackets in it or if your username does not begin with an upper case letter. And once you've tried to connect you are wedged. You can't get around it by changing your name in BOINC. | |
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No big one Cap'n. Pleasure to help you work them bugs outta da system. | |
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Same here, but with my RAC I should be able to edit. It works and I didn't have to log out ____________ Free Tibet/ Tibet Libre Team Forum ![]() ![]() | |
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I'm still wedged. I did get to read the glossary by logging out. However even after changing my name I get an error when trying to access it logged in. I do get error 500 messages now instead of just a blank screen, so at least some progress has been made. | |
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Right now we have a picky wiki which will not let you in if your BOINC user name has curly brackets in it or if your username does not begin with an upper case letter. And once you've tried to connect you are wedged. You can't get around it by changing your name in BOINC. I don't have curly brackets, and I do have an upper case first letter, but I'm getting the same error message as reported. If I log off and go directly to the wiki, I can read. But if I wanted to experiment in there, I have to log in and then get the error again. Have fun following the treasure map to the solution! MJ ____________ Hail, Poetry, thou heav'n-born maid! Thou gildest e'en the pirate's trade. Hail, flowing fount of sentiment! Hail, all hail, divine emollient! | |
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MJ and DJ (seem like a pair. ;)), which browser(s) are you using? Did you try to delete your browser cache? Did you restart the browser after purging the cache? | |
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Unless you try to detach and re-attach. The scheduler is up&running, so that should be a possibility. I just tried that with no luck. ____________ Team Starfire World BOINC! | |
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I've tried a few times to check out the glossary and all I ever get is a "HTTP 500" error. | |
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MJ and DJ (seem like a pair. ;)), which browser(s) are you using? Did you try to delete your browser cache? Did you restart the browser after purging the cache? My normal browser is Firefox 1.5.0.9. Just tried deleting the cache now and got the same error, though I didn't restart it. I also tried in Exploder 6. Same result, except the error message was the IE standard HTTP 500 - Internal server error rather than the SQL error. If I go from the error back to the Pirates site and log off, I can then get to the glossary with no problem. Clear the cache and no change. Restart after clearing, no change. I just can't get then when I'm logged in. [edit]I just browsed parts of the glossary while not logged in. I tried clicking on an "edit" link, as if to edit a page. Was told I needed to be logged in for that, and that took me to a different login than the Pirates@Home login. When I tried, it didn't recognize either my name (MJKelleher), or my email address as a user. If I use the login at the upper right corner of the page, I'm back here and then can't get into the glossary again.[/edit] MJ ____________ Hail, Poetry, thou heav'n-born maid! Thou gildest e'en the pirate's trade. Hail, flowing fount of sentiment! Hail, all hail, divine emollient! | |
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I was able to get in while logged in today. Did you change something Eric? or did the username change finally propagate. | |
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I was able to get in while logged in today. Did you change something Eric? or did the username change finally propagate. What's interesting: I looked at the stuff page 2 hours ago and again now, but there is still neither JKeck nor Dirty John username. Where did you see your able-bodied tag? (Some other page I missed?) ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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Something changed, somewhere along the way... I can get in now, go figure! | |
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JKeck wrote: I was able to get in while logged in today. Did you change something Eric? or did the username change finally propagate. While you were changing your user name to remove the curly brackets, we were changing the code so that it deals properly with names that have characters the wiki doesn't like. It should work for everybody now. | |
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It works. ____________ Team Starfire World BOINC! | |
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Aye, Cap'n! I got in and made a small addition to the section on gold dust. It worked fine and was very easy to use. That is all... SIR! | |
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Wow. Code dwarves really do exist. | |
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With my account everything worked well from the beginning on. I could read, write and load up pictures. | |
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Wow. Code dwarves really do exist. I just heard some rumor about their everlasting arch enemies: the rampaging code goblins. I will try to find out more about them. ____________ Dragons can fly because they don't fit into pirate ships ![]() | |
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I was able to get in while logged in today. Did you change something Eric? or did the username change finally propagate. It was on that page. Dirty John is still there, the seaman tag is missing now though. ____________ BOINC WIKI ![]() ![]() Dirty John Rackham | |
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It was on that page. Dirty John is still there, the seaman tag is missing now though. Yes, I saw it now. ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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The only thing I do not understand is that everybody with editing rights may edit everyones userpage. i think this does not make sense. The general idea of the wiki is that everybody can edit everything, more or less (if they are allowed to edit at all). Aside from the technical limitations of who is allowed to do what, there can also be social conventions which keep things functioning smoothly. (The social conventions are probably more important than mere technical limitations.) I agree that it's probably not proper form to edit someone else's user page. Just as each article has a discussion page for "behind the scenes" discussion of what should or shouldn't go on a page, each user page has a "talk" page where users can leave messages. Leave somebody else's user page alone, but feel free to leave a message on their talk page. For each page there is a record of all changes and who made them, and anonymous edits are not allowed here. You can set a watch on any page to receive an e-mail notification of edits. So it's at least easy to monitor who may be making changes to someone else's user page, and that in itself may prevent abuse. But I agree, you might think that each user would be the only one who could edit their own User page. There are many 'extensions' to the basic code which implement functionality above and beyond the basics. It might be that there is an extension which provides this kind of limit. An extension I found interesting is [[m:Talkright]], which allows someone to edit a talk page even if they are not allowed to edit articles in general. We may try this out as a way for the crew with no RAC to still participate. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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An extension I found interesting is [[m:Talkright]], which allows... Inter-wiki links don't work inside BOINC forums, it seems... | |
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An extension I found interesting is [[m:Talkright]], which allows... Yup, I forgot. Except that I did make a modification so that at least interwiki links to wikipedia work. Saying [ [w:Heave to]] give the link [[w:Heave to]]. I suppose it could be extended to all interwiki linking, but then the BOINC project would need access to the wiki database which contains the links, and I don't think it would be worth all the complication. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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(thought that 'Captain Blood' was a must add to the nautical movies list) I posted it for you, as a test of my editing privileges. Seemed to work fine. ____________ ![]() Was that a Siren I heard? | |
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Was able to get into the glossary today, but could neither create a new article nor edit existing articles (thought that 'Captain Blood' was a must add to the nautical movies list) even though my RAC was 1.50. The list of users also gave no parenthetical title beside my entry and many others. Is there some time delay before that is added? There is no time delay, but the assignment as seaman or able_seaman is made only when you log in. So perhaps you had visited the glossary earlier, just for a look, before I had altered the code, so you already had a session running. Try logging out and logging in again to see if it gets it right. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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There is no time delay, but the assignment as seaman or able_seaman is made only when you log in. So perhaps you had visited the glossary earlier, just for a look, before I had altered the code, so you already had a session running. Try logging out and logging in again to see if it gets it right. Arrrgh Cap'n! twer right on the spot with that as twas smooth sail'in from the vessel at my home port (my office ship had already plied those waters before). @Odysseus Thanks! | |
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Capt'n, rocks on the left side!! You have to log in to edit pages. In that moment I did not knew (never tried before) that the "usual" login would redirect me to Pirates' forum login. So I was asked to: [size=+2]Log in[/size] and then [size=+1]Log in / create account[/size] again and again. Neither my nickname (a.k.a. Glossary's user name) nor my e-mail address worked. I had to log in through the Pirates' forum login page. Only later I noticed that the [ login ] link in the upper right corner was ought for it. Probably some shortcut around the rocky login reef to the usual login lagoon would be fine. ____________ Peter .-) ![]() | |
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Capt'n, rocks on the left side!!... Yes, this is something I've known about, but have not yet had time to fix. I was able to get the login/logout links in the upper right corner to go to the correct place (for the BOINC project) but the wiki also has it's own 'internal' links to it's own login page when it wants you to login (as you have seen). I suspect there are some internal hooks in the software which will let me redirect these links, but I've not yet tracked them down. Meanwhile, it's good to have this in the log, so that users know of the problem. Thank you. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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I suspect there are some internal hooks in the software which will let me redirect these links, but I've not yet tracked them down. I have now figured out how to do this. One needs to add one hook to the function which checks that a user is logged in to the wiki. I'll be proposing that addition to the MediaWiki developers. So now when the wiki wants you to log in it will direct you to the BOINC login page, not the (non-functional) wiki login page. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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I have now figured out how to do this. One needs to add one hook to the function which checks that a user is logged in to the wiki.... Except that a recent test shows that it's not yet completely working.... ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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[[Blame Misfit]] This is what I see However I'm able to access the links at the top. But even though it looks like I'm logged in... Page creation limited From Pirates@Home (<--- where did this) Jump to: navigation, search (<--- come from?) This site has restricted the ability to create new pages. You can go back and edit an existing page, or log in or create an account. ____________ ![]() | |
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From Pirates@Home (<--- where did this) This doesn't show up on my screen but is there when I cut and paste. ____________ ![]() | |
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[[Blame Misfit]] And unfortunately if you get this page you are already screwed. No matter what password you enter it won't work, because the password in the database has been altered to facilitate authentication via BOINC. You have to login to the BOINC part of the site first, then go to the wiki. I put a hook in the wiki code which was supposed to redirect you to the right place if authentication is required, but it seems it does not work in all cases. Thanks for probing the limits (as usual). ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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... That's why we blame him. Maybe a new plank walking for him? ![]() ![]() ____________ [color=navy][size=12][b]Those who can, do.
Those who can't, bully.[/b][/size][/color] From here | |
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I put a hook in the wiki code which was supposed to redirect you to the right place if authentication is required, but it seems it does not work in all cases. Misfit's mishap has shown that there's another way a user can get mis-directed to the wiki's "Userlogin" page. There are a number of system messges which contain in them links to that page. Fortunately, it's relatively easy to edit this messages (they are also wiki pages) to take out those links. I have done so, and so hopefully that will prevent further misdirection. If you find other wiki pages which say something that seems out of place, especially with regard to having to log in to do something, please report them. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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[[Blame Misfit]] I'm automatically logged in when I come here via permanent cookie. ____________ ![]() | |
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I'm automatically logged in when I come here via permanent cookie. And that cookie will authenticate you to the wiki as well. But with RAC < 1.0 you can only edit existing pages, not create new ones. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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I'm automatically logged in when I come here via permanent cookie. Then give us some gold! I am not able to edit the "Wench" page. I think I have the qualifications and abilities to elaborate on that subject! And I'm also permanently logged on via a cookie. ____________ [color=navy][size=12][b]Those who can, do.
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There is now a page called [[Wench]]. You can go edit it. | |
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I am not able to edit the "Wench" page. I think I have the qualifications and abilities to elaborate on that subject! Fuzzy. I'm not exactly sure why you refer to yourself as a "wench". It's an extremely demeaning way to refer to a woman. But hey. If that's how you see yourself, then so be it. It's not a term I like so you're welcome to edit the page. | |
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Every page on the wiki has an accompanying "talk" page (reached by the "annotations" tab at the top of the page), the purpose of which is to discuss what should or should not be put in the article itself, or how best to phrase things, or which things to emphasize, etc. | |
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I'm not exactly sure why you refer to yourself as a "wench". It's an extremely demeaning way to refer to a woman. And once this project is called Politically_Correct@home I won't be rotting in the brig. Instead I'll be a detained guest. ____________ ![]() | |
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I am not able to edit the "Wench" page. I think I have the qualifications and abilities to elaborate on that subject! Eric Myers, is a post like the one, I'm replying to, within these rules? # No messages intended to annoy or antagonize other people, or to hijack a thread. # No messages that are deliberately hostile or insulting. # No abusive comments involving race, religion, nationality, gender, class or sexuality. I see you have posted after it, so I assume you have seen it. Is this the way you want your board ruled from now on? Hostile, insulting, abusive, and harassing posts to certain users are allowed and won't be moderated? Maybe they are even endorsed by you? I feel this post very offensive to my person! Please explain to me why this post hasn't been moderated, neither by your moderators nor by yourself. Thank you very much. And for the record I have used the red-x on it several times and it's still there. ____________ [color=navy][size=12][b]Those who can, do.
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Fuzzy wrote: is a post like the one I'm replying to within these rules? There are a number of issues here. There was no way for me to know you found the posting offensive until you said you did, and I still don't know if that was the intention of the poster. It's quite possible she was just pointing out that there is another meaning to the word in question. Only she can speak to her true intentions. In part, I think this disagreement stems from the fact that there are several meanings of the 'W-word'. Amongst pirates (or people playing at pirates) it can just be used in place of "woman" (though generally not for a female pirate). But as has been pointed out, the more general sense is in fact derogatory (as is being called a pirate, by the way). I believe you were using the word in the first sense while she was pointing out that it has the other meaning as well. Explaining all meanings and contexts is exactly the purpose of a glossary, and since nobody else has taken on the task I have filled in that entry: [[Wench]] The crew can, of course, edit it to improve upon my start. In general, my policy is that unless abuse is clear and intended, or unless something is quite clearly offensive, then there is no need to remove a post. When there is some doubt, I'll leave it there, as will the moderators, at least until that doubt is removed. Other members of the crew can then judge a person by what they write -- all of it, both good and bad -- and we can have a mature discussion between all pirates and wenches. But if things get out of hand I'm happy to try out the brig again... ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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It that is so, how come Misfit's reply to the same post has been deleted? You know very well it has been deleted, you can see it as deleted, and I can see it has been restored. If you don't see anything insulting in that reply to me, a totally uncalled for insulting remark about my person, as I have never addressed that person on this board, since she has a history of posting insulting and abusive remarks to and about me on other boards, what abusive was there about Misfit's reply to it then that made somebody delete it? Please enlighten us why a reply saying: "And once this project is called Politically_Correct@home I won't be rotting in the brig. Instead I'll be a detained guest." was so abusive that it needed to be deleted? Applying your own logic - "In general, my policy is that unless abuse is clear and intended, or unless something is quite clearly offensive, then there is no need to remove a post. When there is some doubt, I'll leave it there, as will the moderators, at least until that doubt is removed." - it should not be deleted. But maybe one of your moderators, the one I told you about in my mail to you, is out of hands in this? As he has been so many times before. Signing me up on a site with an ad for prostitution is malignant, it shows how spiteful he is! And the post I find abusive was meant just as insulting to me as all the other snide remarks and open insults that person usually address me with. If she claims she didn't mean to insult me, I expect an apology from her posted here very soon. You chose who you want to have yourself and your project associated with, but please keep them off my back! I will not take anymore abuse from these people, neither here on this board or on any other boards! You can read here how serial bullies behave. And I'll take a look at that Wench page to see what you have said about us, the wenches, and I'll edit after my liking. Thank you. ____________ [color=navy][size=12][b]Those who can, do.
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... Are you now so political correct that you can't even say wench? And done! And I am definitely a wench. And a very able pirate also, I plunder as good as any of the guys here, I'm not a landlubber, I stay on the ship also when it's in port. And I take all the gold I'm offered as well. ____________ [color=navy][size=12][b]Those who can, do.
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And I am definitely a wench. And a very able pirate also, I plunder as good as any of the guys here, I'm not a landlubber, I stay on the ship also when it's in port. And I take all the gold I'm offered as well. And what a lovely profile pic you have too! ____________ ![]() | |
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And I am definitely a wench. And a very able pirate also, I plunder as good as any of the guys here, I'm not a landlubber, I stay on the ship also when it's in port. And I take all the gold I'm offered as well. Thank you. Yes, that bodice can make many a pirate forget all about his gold. ;-D ____________ [color=navy][size=12][b]Those who can, do.
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Actually, no, I used the word elsewhere. My point in refering to it as the "W-word" was to imply that it's a word which has a wide range of meanings and emotional attachments for a variety of different people. Much like the "N-word". I think the strong feelings shown here demonstrate that. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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If you with your expression "N-word" mean what I think you mean and compare that to the word "Wench" you are too far out, in my opinion. Geeezz, we are playing that we are on a Pirate ship, this board is bristling with words and expressions none of us use in our daily life, not without being incarcerated or attending special theme events. Being called or calling yourself a wench on this board is not even close to the use of the "N-word" out in society. ![]() And what strong feelings? That this person won't use the word wench about herself, well, I'm not surprised, but I use it gladly about myself: I am a Woman Entitled to Nothing but Complete Happiness! What I have strong feelings about is receiving snide and insulting remarks about my person, a post where the only intention was to insult me. What was the reason for posting it if not for that? Why did this person address me in this? As I said, if I am wrong about this, an apology to me should be posted by this person, but none is showing so far. I have every right to be angry. That a person can feel offended about a word like "wench" on a board like this, is beyond me. Again, we are playing here, if this fact has gone over somebody's heads, then they maybe have participated in the wrong project. ![]() ____________ [color=navy][size=12][b]Those who can, do.
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If you with your expression "N-word" mean what I think you mean and compare that to the word "Wench" you are too far out, in my opinion. I agree that the N-word is much more controversial, but my point is that both carry multiple meanings which can trigger a wide variety of emotional responses. I didn't know what you meant in using the word until you explained it. (Thanks for the glossary contribution.) Now we have three meanings of the word. And I agree that folks on this site should not be offended by the word, given the context. But can you acknowledge that some people may see the word as offensive? Maybe you don't think they should, but that's separate issue which one can debate. This morning I noticed on CNN that there is a conference on the N-word at Stillman college in Alabama. It mentions a Tupac Shakur song which he said stood for "Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished." It looks like both Tupac and your Wench movement were/are aimed at turning a pejorative word into a positive ideal. (Perhaps we should hold a conference on the many meanings of the W-word? We could have Misfit as the after dinner speaker.) ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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If you with your expression "N-word" mean what I think you mean and compare that to the word "Wench" you are too far out, in my opinion. I can acknowledge that people can be offended by certain words, but being offended on this board about being called a pirate or a wench is ridiculous. I can not acknowledge that somebody is hurling insults to me for calling myself a wench on this board. And you are missing the point that that person addressed me, I have never called her a wench (which she is definitely not!), she addressed me with a very insulting statement about my person given the context she was using the word in! She hasn't even apologized yet, on the contrary, my posts are being minus rated just like when she and her friends were attacking me back before the ratings were disabled on the Seti boards. So let's see how the rating system on your board will behave now! How do you relate to minus attacks by the way? I think you'll see some here in the nearest future specially towards me and Misfit. I wasn't aware of that the word "wench" was supposed to be pejorative on this board. When I signed up and started to read here, I saw it used all the time about women. So, are you saying that you endorse that view on women as that meaning of the word indicate? Can you acknowledge that when the word "wench" is used in the pejorative meaning as in this post, then addressing me like that is insulting? Then why hasn't that post been deleted yet? Or why haven't you contacted your teammate and asked her to come and clear out the "misunderstanding" and apologize to me? And why is that person addressing me in the first place? ____________ [color=navy][size=12][b]Those who can, do.
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So let's see how the rating system on your board will behave now! This does bring up another feature we are testing here which might prove useful on other BOINC projects. Each member of the crew now has only a small number of ratings points, which are only slowly replenished. This should prevent any one user from abusing the rating system (a 'minus attack') while still allowing the rating system to function normally. I encourage everyone to give it a try. You can use your points to rate up those posts that you think are deserving of praise and attention, and rate down those posts which you don't think are worth viewing (and please use the rating system rather than the reporting system, unless there is extreme abuse). The idea is to create some amount of self-policing by the community of users. I also remind you that each of you can control what level of rated posts you wish to see (or not see) by means of the forum preferences. Thanks to everybody who helps test this new feature, and I'd welcome constructive feedback (in another thread - this one is now too long). ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats | |
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