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Kalessin Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Jan 06 International SETI.Germany Credit: 44,825.1 RAC: 0.00 Joined: Jan 19, 2006 Verified: Jan 11, 2009 Dubloons: 3 Pieces of Eight: 7 Punishment: Mess Duty	Message 5707 - Posted: 16 May 2007 \| 5:56:48 UTC
I think that dlbs last wave of purges over there at scripps, where he deleted the accounts of about 20 participants indicates some points which should be taken care of with the i2u2 forum. The deletion of the teamleader of seti.germany left the team leaderless and since noone can mail the former leader, the leadership cannot be transferred any more. And the deletion of all those users reapt half of the forum apart, as all the threads only show up until they meet a post of one of the deleted. I can imagine that with I2u2 there might occur similar problems. (No, not wormholio turning into a dlb) but with parents demanding the deletion of their childrens account for some reason. Or the wish of a student not to be asociated with his posts of ten years ago. So there should be a feature to give the teamleadership to another person by the admin. (or is there already?) Maybe only possible if a team actually is leaderless. And maybe it could be wise to have an userless account into which important posts could be transferred, if a user account had to be deleted. ____________ Dragons can fly because they don't fit into pirate ships
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Wormholio Captain Send message Joined: 6 Jun 04 United States Away Credit: 4,009.8 RAC: 0.00 Joined: Jun 6, 2004 Verified: Mar 13, 2008 Dubloons: 3 Pieces of Eight: 10 Punishment: Aztec curse	Message 5709 - Posted: 16 May 2007 \| 11:42:45 UTC - in response to Message 5707.
Kalessin wrote: I can imagine that with I2u2 there might occur similar problems. (No, not wormholio turning into a dlb) but with parents demanding the deletion of their children's account for some reason. Or the wish of a student not to be associated with his posts of ten years ago. I was just discussing this problem with someone else, and indeed it's something to think about. For any of a number of reasons one might want to "turn off" a user. On the other hand, I've learned the hard way not to just delete an entry from a database. In a RELATIONAL database there can be relations between items which you must be sure to account for. Leaving a leaderless team is one. Hosts, workunits, Results, all could be left with dangling references if you simply remove an entry from the user table. In the least, one has to think carefully about all the interrelationships in the database and delete all elements which are tied together, in the proper order. It's something best set up in code rather than doing it "by hand". So what I think we might need is a way to "turn off" the user but with the account remaining in the database. That presents it's own problems if you miss something which then presents information which should not be shown. It's definitely an important thing to think through. Thanks for bringing it up. ____________ -- Eric Myers "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." -- William Butler Yeats
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I think that dlbs last wave of purges over there at scripps, where he deleted the accounts of about 20 participants indicates some points which should be taken care of with the i2u2 forum.

The deletion of the teamleader of seti.germany left the team leaderless and since noone can mail the former leader, the leadership cannot be transferred any more.
And the deletion of all those users reapt half of the forum apart, as all the threads only show up until they meet a post of one of the deleted.

I can imagine that with I2u2 there might occur similar problems. (No, not wormholio turning into a dlb) but with parents demanding the deletion of their childrens account for some reason. Or the wish of a student not to be asociated with his posts of ten years ago.

So there should be a feature to give the teamleadership to another person by the admin. (or is there already?) Maybe only possible if a team actually is leaderless.
And maybe it could be wise to have an userless account into which important posts could be transferred, if a user account had to be deleted.
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Kalessin wrote:

I can imagine that with I2u2 there might occur similar problems. (No, not wormholio turning into a dlb) but with parents demanding the deletion of their children's account for some reason. Or the wish of a student not to be associated with his posts of ten years ago.

I was just discussing this problem with someone else, and indeed it's something to think about. For any of a number of reasons one might want to "turn off" a user. On the other hand, I've learned the hard way not to just delete an entry from a database. In a RELATIONAL database there can be relations between items which you must be sure to account for. Leaving a leaderless team is one. Hosts, workunits, Results, all could be left with dangling references if you simply remove an entry from the user table. In the least, one has to think carefully about all the interrelationships in the database and delete all elements which are tied together, in the proper order. It's something best set up in code rather than doing it "by hand".

So what I think we might need is a way to "turn off" the user but with the account remaining in the database. That presents it's own problems if you miss something which then presents information which should not be shown.

It's definitely an important thing to think through. Thanks for bringing it up.

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